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Blog Entry# 4265688
Posted: Mar 19 2019 (14:42)

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Last Response: Mar 29 2019 (12:13)
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Mar 19 2019 (14:42)   22435/Varanasi - New Delhi Vande Bharat Express | BSB/Varanasi Junction (11 PFs)
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Entry# 4265688            Tags   Past Edits
The bogies of Vande Bharat Exp are not LHB bogies, in fact everything is made in india. #Admin #Moderator please update. Please create separate category for T-18 rakes. For time being we can call them as T-18 rakes!
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Confirmed by Mr. Sudhanshu Mani himself, the architect of T-18.
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Mar 29 2019 (11:26)
TheLucifer
TheLucifer   6796 blog posts
Re# 4265688-10               Past Edits
#Admin #Moderator Why it's mentioned as LHB????
Railway's clearly named it as #Train18 set.
Gave it separate category.
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Mar 29 2019 (11:44)
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Calling it a 'rip-off' is rather harsh and inaccurate. High speed trains have been around for many decades now and the technologies involved designing them have matured now to the point that the basic elements of most new designs remain the same. The basic design principles remain the same, but many specifics change. This is not really 'copying' a design.

Pretty much all cars and mobiles have the same basic design principles and look and function similarly at a first glance. But the details vary wildly. It's not that they are
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all copies of other products. Rather, some design principles are so basic that they stay common in most regular designs.

As for the Bogie design, as has been pointed out in the blog by Mr.Mani, IR had already tried 'modifying' the existing LHB bogies for mounting Traction motors. However, these attempts did not work out.

While the new bogie has some design principles in common with the FIAT bogies in the LHB coaches (like the easily noticeable Y-shape frame) and the vertical dampers attached to the bogie, it is not a modification, rather a basic starting point. The Y-frame of the FIAT bogies has worked out well for high speed runs with LHB coaches and was a good starting point.

But pretty much the entire traction motor mounting system had to be designed from scratch. The LHB bogies were designed for axle-mounted disc brakes and as such had a very different design. This would make it unsuitable for mounting traction motors, so the bogie had to be completely redesigned to accommodate this.

So, it's not a ripoff or a copy. It does borrow some elements from the FIAT bogies, but it is far from being just a modification.

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T18 is never be a LHB. I listen an interview of a rly board member refering it as a type of specialised MEMU/EMU rake.
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Mar 29 2019 (12:04)
TheMadrasMail~
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As Mr.Mani himself pointed out in his series of articles, the T18 used the existing LHB coach shell design, but with modifications in place. Many modifications were required for improving the internal layout, moving the electrical equipment and other auxiliary equipment below the underframe.

It may be too cluttered to label it as LHB-T18, but it would definitely be a more accurate representation of how the ICF engineers used the existing design as a base and built a very different, indigenous product around it.
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Mar 29 2019 (12:13)
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yes sir. have suggested the same. to give a new rake type as T -18 and not 'lhb - t18'...
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